Re: SEUL: SEOL Text EDITOR

[Kevin Forge <forgeltd@pop.netaddress.usa.net>]

jfm2@club-internet.fr wrote:
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> > George Bonser wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sun, 1 Feb 1998, Sailesh Krishnamurthy wrote:
> > >
> > > > Well if emacs is too large, there are quite a few "emacs-like" editors like joe
> > > > and jed which are small enough, and offer a comfortable home for a new user.
> > > > Definitely more comfortable than vi.
> > >
> > > More comfortable if you use emacs.  I find vi more comfortable than emacs
> > > probably because I use it.  We need a text editor like pico that lets the
> > > user use the arrow keys, backspace over text to erase it &c.
> >
> > Let me throw a new spin on this incompitence theory.  I have used Linux
> > for over 3 years now on my own machine.  The only time I've used vi is
> > when I had no other choice.  Such as when installing a new distro that
> > only included it.  Once I could get a simpler program I did and vi
> > gathred dust.
> >
> 
> Agreed about VI.  :-)
> 
> > This is for a few reasons.  I have yet to find anything to do on my
> > system that required any editor other than something like pico or ae.
> > Whenever I would get in the mood to play with source files, I would get
> > a program like ddd or use Xemacs.  The most prominent reason is because
> > I don't wish to learn vi or emacs.  I want to open a program, do what I
> > opened it for and close it.
> >
> > I would rather spend a week finding a more intuitive interface
> > (primitive if you like) than spend more than a month learning how to use
> > vi or emacs.  I have better things to do than sit reading doc's to learn
> > how to tab a paragraph over.
> >
> 
> Emacs has menus.  In fact you can look Emacs as a mouse editor with
> keyboard shortcuts like any newer editor.  The fact than Emacs was
> born on TTYs has led to teaching its use through the shortcuts.  And
> even if not intuitive, programmers would be better to use it instead
> of most intuitive editors: Emacs will avoid you some bugs.  Of course
> you could use Xemacs instead.  :-)
> 
This discussion is actually about an editor for inclusion on the install 
diskette and for doing simple setup chores like editing /etc/*
emacs and vi are both excluded based on size, and the fact that you
MUST read some sort of manual to learn them.  
>
The features of this editor need to be such that it cannot be designed
by
a programer.  I have sean it all over.  Programers and other users use
different editors.  It's similar to how engineers use advanced epoxy
while
handyman joe uses simple glue.  Each would have a hard time using the
other 
persons tool.
>
so this is how we should go about building this editor ( I have yet to
see
a workable substitute, though there are progs that could be modified ).
The interface should be designed by a none programer ( not me as I'm bad
at 
long term commitments ), and the programer/s would then agree to go the
extra
mile and build someone else's idea into C code.  ( not normal behavior
in 
the GPL world ).  Of course the programers would need to worry about
keeping
it small ( 20 to 30 K should work ).  

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