RE: Advocacy efforts (was Re: [seul-edu] SEUL Licensing)

[Chris Hedemark <hedemark@bops.com>]

There is already a game called "Where in Hell is Carmen Sandiego".  It was
available since 1987 or maybe earlier from many BBS's.

-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Loss [mailto:dloss@suscom.net]
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 8:37 AM
To: seul-edu@seul.org
Subject: Advocacy efforts (was Re: [seul-edu] SEUL Licensing)


Hilaire Fernandes wrote:

>  > I am definitely doing so.  Your example is well chosen--Sketch exists
as an initial
>  > effort towards doing the things that Corel Draw does.  Now, rather than
ask MECC to
>  > port Amazon Trail to Linux, which free project should we attempt to
help?  There
>  > _is_ no one working on similar programs for Linux; I've checked.  As
soon as such a
>
> So why not looking for someone that can develop such a software
> instead of asking to MECC? BTW, can you tell us what is Amazin Trail
> and MECC?
>

I'm doing that too.  Amazon Trail is (from a description in a product
review):

"Amazon Trail Rainforest Adventures 3rd Edition takes your child on an
interactive trip
through the rainforests of the Amazon. While there, kids can take photos of
wildlife, catch
fish and trade for supplies. They must remain healthy and avoid hazards
along the way."

It's sort of a graphical adventure game with some educational value (how
much is an open
question).  MECC used to be a small independent company, but from what I can
see they've
been acquired by The Learning Company, which now includes Brøderbund,
Creative Wonders,
Compton's, The Learning Company, MECC, and Mindscape.

I started working with a group of artists (Roger Dingledine put me on to
them) who wanted
to write an adventure based on various culture's afterlife concepts that
they tentatively
called, "Where in Hell is Carmen Sandiego?"  (For legal purposes we decided
to call the
central character Aida Sanfernando.)  Work on that languished, but a
secondary effort was
formed to develop an adventure based on a George MacDonald story called "The
Light
Princess."  That project is proceeding nicely at
<http://light-princess.sourceforge.net>.
We hope to develop a graphical adventure game engine that non-programmers
can fairly easily
write data sets (adventures) for.  We want to encourage artistic and other
non-technical
types to use it to make many more adventure games for Linux, both
educational and
entertainment.

At any rate, advocating ports of existing commercial software doesn't take
lots of time or
effort, and I don't think it significantly detracts from other efforts to
develop similar
free software.  And to speak to one of Ray's concerns, when I advocate
porting to
commercial organizations, I never mention foreswearing the development of
free
alternatives.  I'm not part of their company, and they understand that if
there's a valid
niche for their programs competition will develop.  Anoyne in the software
field who isn't
aware of the possibility of competition for their programs from free
software is horribly
blindered.  I'm not trying to get Amazon Trail for Linux, I'm trying to get
good
educational software for Linux.  If they want to be a part of that, great.
But I won't
ignore other possibilities to try to persuade them.

> I know that Doug. But i'm concerned that the two directions you take
> in the same time will hurt free software spirit in education and
> teaching.  I think that commercial edu soft will be ported when
> GNU/Linux will spread in school and home, we don't need to advocate
> for that.

I think it's important for everyone on this mailing list to understand that
Hilaire and I
agree on 99%+ of everything to do with Linux in education, and that this
discussion is
based on slightly divergent views of where our efforts should be focussed.
We have great
respect for each other (back me up on this, Hilaire :-) ).

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