Re: [seul-edu] Fwd: [Kde-edu]Welcome to the new kde-edu

[Max Moritz Sievers <max.moritz.sievers@gmx.de>]

On Sunday 26 November 2000 21:06, Manuel Gutierrez Algaba wrote:
> Personally, I've never liked this new trend of having KDE, GNOME
> "propietary" programms. For these reasons:
>
> - People tend to write programms difficult to "port" to other
> desktops. Each program  usually has at least two parts "Interface"
> and "Engine". Regretfully, most programmers melt those two parts
> into a single one,
> making it difficult to reuse the "engine". This is specially true
> in the KDE, GNOME series. Sometimes a "GNOME" programm relies so
> much in GNOME that you can either take GNOME as a whole or forget
> that programm, or at the very least, have all the libs. The ideal
> would be to have independent engine and several GUI, perhaps
> thru a independent XML spec.

That is not necessary. You can write highly modular applications for KDE 
and GNOME (just look at Konqueror <http://www.konqueror.org>).

> - Secondly, it "forces" programmers to use it. Well, sometimes it
> seems that if you don't write for such desktops your product is
> less serious. Or on the other hand, any "stupid" programm or
> applet enters directly "the Valhalla" or the paradise, just because
> it integrates well with the desktop.

Desktopenviroments are usefull, more effective and advanced as single 
progams. So these users are right to raise the worth of an application 
for theis desktop.


> To have more programms never is bad, but if all of them "corrupt" the
> Unix soul: simple, combinable, it does a specific and unique task and it
> does good, well if those programms corrupt that philosophy it's clear 
> that Linux will die in the long run, a death by too much success, but a 
> death after all.

The Linux philosophy is also the KDE and GNOME philosophy. There is no 
KDE.exe and GNOME.exe but many programs who share libraries and are 
interfaces. Besides that Linux can't die. You can use it forever. 

> I'm the author of
> vsep.seul.org
>
> And i have the slightest intention to move to KDE or GNOME,
> what for ?

Your programm could only look nicer :-)
But other programms like plotters could easily export their datas to a 
database or a chart drawing application. 

> In fact, I'm thinking about providing a .zip  for them. (At the
> end, in all my projects, I have to provide a .zip).

Then I don't know why you are on seul.org

> Besides, GNOME/KDE doesn't help education, they need much
> more powerful computers than "raw" desktops.

They aren't perfect but better than the rest. I think they help to 
increase the number of Linux-users. And GNOME and KDE don't prevent 
developers to write good educational applications.

> Educative programm requirements have been always independent
> of the O.S. . A good educative programm is good if it's helpful,
> having a "cheese" or "metal" theme of the buttonry doesn't make
> it more helpful.

So why do such noise?


Regards,
Max Moritz Sievers