Re: [seul-edu] Announcing the Tux Typing 0.9 Release

["Fyoozen" <peharp@ix.netcom.com>]

Thanks Karl!  BTW we may have another one coming up! I may get Lin to
moderate so I can put on my black hat again!

----- Original Message -----
From: Karl <jackal@raptor.slc.edu>
To: <seul-edu@seul.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 5:02 AM
Subject: Re: [seul-edu] Announcing the Tux Typing 0.9 Release


>
> Phillip, aka "Fyoozen", has done an excellent job of advocating GNU/Linux
> while presenting fairly both sides of the picture (GNU/Linux/Unix -and-
> M$)... ...well, okay, he wasn't really presenting on Microsoft's
> "benefits", but rather he played devils advocate for the pro-M$ issues at
> a very important little debate at the Washington Business School (formerly
> Gibbs school) where Phillip teaches a Unix class normally.
>
> Harry's point is very good, as is his experience: practically
> single-handedly getting a GNU/Linux installation into Artizona public
> schools that would otherwise never had even seen the flicker of a 60-75hz
> monitor.
>
> It is very good to hear the reminders from the conscience on the right
> shoulder, in expanding advocacy papers that should be usable, or moldable,
> for years to follow.
>
>
> -karl
>
> e: karl@seul.org, jackal@raptor.slc.edu
>
>
> On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Harry  McGregor wrote:
>
> > Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 22:40:40 -0700 (MST)
> > From: Harry  McGregor <micros@azstarnet.com>
> > Reply-To: seul-edu@seul.org
> > To: seul-edu@seul.org
> > Subject: Re: [seul-edu] Announcing the Tux Typing 0.9 Release
> >
> > On thing to keep in mind, while it's easy to attack M$, the way to win
> > these debates is to bring up the benifits of _BOTH_ sides, fairly, and
> > evenly.  I have several MS people I can run this by to make sure all
> > statesments are 100% true, etc.
> >
> > Linux/OSS will win in the end since it's a better mouse trap, not be
cause
> > it's "Not M$".  Also keep in mind while on one level, SUN, IBM, etc are
on
> > our side, they also have their own plans for ASP based tech in
education,
> > that might or might not be interoperable...
> >
> > Harry
> >
> > On Wed, 27 Jun 2001, Fyoozen wrote:
> >
> > > The new licensing scheme backed by UCITA (in MD and VA) and the DMCA
and the
> > > actions that M$ is taking on software piracy will indeed figure quite
> > > prominently into the picture. Cost of support and ownership are huge
issues.
> > > With commercial options ranging from Terminal Services to individual
> > > licenses, the average Joe will have to look towards alternative
methods of
> > > production. We are only talking OS at this point. Wait until they want
> > > apps!!
> > >
> > > Willy Gates is the king of cha-ching! It's going to come from
somewhere! I
> > > am interested in seeing how XP will play with LILO. Wonder if they
will use
> > > the NT or 2000 boot model?
> > >
> > > Anyway, back to the original topic, I intend to try Tux typing this
weekend.
> > > I'll have my wife test it. She actually types and has used similar
> > > commercial type products. I use four fingers and two thumbs trying to
ease
> > > into it for the last 15-20 years.  ;-))
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Jeff Nelson <jtnelson@emirates.net.ae>
> > > To: <seul-edu@seul.org>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 1:13 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [seul-edu] Announcing the Tux Typing 0.9 Release
> > >
> > >
> > > > I, for one, will be very interested in seeing your document.  I need
to
> > > > convince the head of a nonprofit I work with that Linux is
applicable to
> > > an
> > > > educational project in Colombia.  He believes that MS solutions are
best,
> > > but
> > > > I think the sustainability issue is an important one, especially now
that
> > > the
> > > > new MS licensing schemes are going to remove the Colombians' ability
to
> > > > pirate at will.
> > > >
> > > > It's small, but I have a presentation on the same topic at
> > > > http://linux.innoved.org/linux-tesl/
> > > >
> > > > > Since my paper is basically a "Why Linux in Education?" paper, as
well
> > > as a
> > > > > "Here's how you do it!", I was pointed here by Karl and Roger. I
have
> > > been
> > > > > soaking up ideas and topics to add to the final outline. Which
should be
> > > > > totally completed by next week. I have also had some assistance
and
> > > support
> > > > > from Miguel De Icaza, and notes from when Eric Raymond spoke at
NoVaLUG.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mrs. Tim Bogardt is doing the translation of Miguel's original
paper for
> > > > > me. I think we will have a good arsenal from which to select. I
intend
> > > to
> > > > > use this group as a sounding board and proof readers. The paper
will
> > > > > emphasize cost of ownership (long and short term), pluses in terms
of
> > > > > educational value, and implementing a self supporting source for
> > > > > educational software. I also hope to incorporate a "responsible
> > > computing
> > > > > in the community" section in the curriculum section.
> > > >
> > > > I can volunteer to do proofing.  (Heck, I'm an English teacher!)
> > > >
> > > > Jeff Nelson
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Harry McGregor, CEO, Co-Founder
> > Hmcgregor@osef.org, (520) 661-7875 (CELL)
> > Open Source Education Foundation, http://www.osef.org
> >
> >
>
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