G'day: I'm going to throw in my two cents now ... Why not teach kids something that is 1. easy 2. useful 3. involves most basic programming concepts and constructs 4. immediate, relevant, interesting 5. free, open source, platform independent ... in other words, PHP (in conjunction with HTML)? Michael Hall admin@mulga.com.au ph/fax (+61 8) 8953 1442 ABN 94 885 174 814