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Re: Teacher Package
I think the CD idea may still be a good idea. If nothing else it would help
focus the group on what an entire package would look like. It would also
force us to consider how each program will work with other programs. Perhaps
this should be a longer goal type issue.
Bradley Burnside wrote:
> Hey,
> I know what your saying. My mind was wandering. It is in my
> opinion a lot overkill. I do like the idea of a cd though. It is a lot
> easier to have everything on a cd, and then run one script and it'll
> install everything. Like a companion cd...or dredd I say it but
> similiar to Microsoft Plus. I like rpms. They are really easy to use.
> The only thing that upsets me with rpms is people like to program in the
> latest greatest library. Like GTK 1.1.13. But you can't find rpm for
> it. You have to go download it and compile. (gtk 1.1.13 is developers
> version, they should write in 1.0.6 or wait for 1.2.). I think if we
> were to create a cd or online repository for educational software. It
> might be easier if we wrote a small app that installed everything...or
> even to the extent as being a running daemon and updates the software
> for you.
> The only problem I see about a teacher downloading and installing
> rpms manually is despite the rpm system is nice. There are still many
> ways of messing up your system with it. God knows how many times it let
> me upgrade something and then broke dependencies.
> Brad burnside
> sorry about the distro thing...I was getting a little overzealous. or
> maybe a lot.
>
> rnd@sampo.karelia.ru wrote:
>
> > Hi!
> >
> > I think, its a little overkill (school distro). A bunch of
> > appropriate rpm's + a README in what order to install them is
> > enough.
> >
> > And I can tell you why. Because good Linux installation (and
> > any other system installation) must be made by a more or less
> > expert.
> >
> > And all the expert need is a bunch of programs available over
> > what "standard" distro offer. For example, After installing
> > RedHat I at once installed a 20-30 item list of additional
> > rpms, which were "prescribed" before hand. The only exception
> > was fetchmail, which did not work and I got an update.
> >
> > So, it's hard to make
> >
> > rpm -hiv somepack.rpm
> >
> > easier, IMHO!
> >
> > Why? Because if after initial install (made by a profi) techers
> > will want to add something, they will alerady know that uniform
> > way to do it (in rpm-empowered system) is to use rpm with a -i
> > or -U switch! No need to mess with something else.
> >
> > So, excuse me, but I can't see how GUIfying the ONE short
> > and universal command could make things easier..!
> >
> > Of course, additional 'configurative' rpm could be prepared to
> > facilitate the setup. (for example, there was calderize.rpm in
> > Caldera Linux)...
> >
> > There is also a mechanism of 'kickstart' in RedHat. This way,
> > one can control what to install and what to not already at
> > install. I have not investigated it, but I think it is very
> > useful for automatic mass installs in the school Linux labs.
> >
> > In summary, its easier and more long-term effective to teach a
> > teacher to find things on the web and use rpm than to make some
> > special overhead. So, teacher package is only good if it is
> > just a bunch of selected rpm's + short descriptions what they
> > are for.
> >
> > Sincerely yours, Roman Suzi
> > --
> > Russia * Karelia * Petrozavodsk
> > Sunday, January 24, 1999 * Powered by Linux RedHat 5.1
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