Re: [Computerbank] [Fwd: [cai-vic] Policy stick is out]

["Rob J" <rob_j43@hotmail.com>]

Romana,

The reasons for the parting questions in my email was because I was getting 
an impression form all the bitching that CAI was getting to be all about 
egos and somehow forgetting its original aims.
I am heartened and very pleased by your response.

I urge everyone out there in CAI land to stop, take a deep breath, remember 
why you are here and go forward as a stronger organisation helping those in 
need.

Rob Jackson


>From: Romana Challans <romana@timelady.com>
>To: computerbank@lists.linux.org.au, "Rob J" <rob_j43@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [Computerbank] [Fwd: [cai-vic] Policy stick is out]
>Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 06:51:39 +1030
>
>On Thu, 28 Nov 2002 11:20 pm, Rob J shared:
> > Im not not a financial member so please ignore me if you wish, but as an
> > interested reader of these emails, why do I detect the feeling that
> > everything done by the Victorian group is wrong?
>
>i reckon all in cai shld get an equal say my friend  - but i naturally
>encourage membership;))))
>my goodness, if you got that from my emails, im sorry! i'm trying, along 
>with
>others on the committee, like kylie and cromwell, to sort out whats needed 
>on
>a National basis vs State basis - to ensure consistency, and to communicate
>ideas.
>we are doing so on this list to allow input from everyone!:)
>we are trying to rigorously go through and address many holes and issues
>raised lately - please, feel free to assist!!!
>
> > Why do the other branches feel so threatened by the Victorians?
>
>lol, thats actually kinda funny. some of my best friends are victorians!
>we are a national body, not caivic or caisa etc, those are important 
>entities,
>but part of the national outlook:) vic is the biggest branch, but no more 
>or
>less valid than qld or sa:)))) equal in aims and mechanisms, but different 
>in
>size and progression, and its good to see that reflected in the new 
>committee
>team:)
>
> > And for an organisation that professes to to dedicated to the the 
>openness
> > of open source you all seem so insular and bigoted.
>
>again, apologies if it appears that way. i have pointed out that  kylie and 
>i
>were discussing national stuff, and the vic vol manual, while 
>understandably,
>and indeed necessarily so, is vic centric - thus what of it can we use
>nationally and what should be state based?
>
>as for insular, we are all striving for cai, so i am puzzled by your take 
>on
>this?
>
> > All I can say if forget all this carrying on and try to remember why you
> > joined CAI in the first place.  Was it:
> > (1) to control an organisation?
> > (2) to spread the gospel of linux
> > (3) or was it maybe to help people?
> > why do I get the feeling that for most of you the order is (1), (2),
> > (3)????
>
>that i cant answer for you, only you can answer why you feel something!!
>
>however, i'll respond to yr points -
>well, i couldnt in all conscience deal with microsoft crud fr recipients, 
>and
>truly believe not that linux is a viable alternative, rather viable 
>solution.
>and lol jennifairy, shaun and i were, technically speaking, INVITED to join
>cai as the new sa branch, to continue the work we'd been doing quite
>independently of vic:)
>
>however, why do i spend an obscene amount of time doing hours and hours of
>unpaid work, writing endless emails to try and sort messes out, encourage
>people, and stop sniping/politics/neepage and other crud so we can move
>forward, AND be coord for sa, AND holder of the arcane build knowledge, AND
>be the trainer currently for sa, etc etc etc....
>
>for the sheer thrill of the griping politics and crap we've all seen so
>far???!!!
>sorry, masochism ISNT my strong point. as a matter of fact, im attempting
>destressing atm due to my pregnancy...:)
>
>why then?
>
>same reason we all do - or should be doing it for -
>BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN CAI:)
>because recipients need puters, and puters need recycling
>becaude the world needs people to give a damn....
>that kind of thing:)
>
>i can only ask and encourage you in this :  before questioning anyone's
>commitment, please, as i have done, try a leap of faith and believe in
>EVERYONES intentions - and then try getting involved, helping out with 
>these
>thorny national issues:)))
>
>after all, cai is bigger than any individual - if i left tomorrow, or 
>kylie,
>or any one of us, cai would, and RIGHTLY SO, continue and thrive.
>and while we may be coming from many directions, we all surely care more 
>for
>cai than for the other stuff?:)
>
>hth,
>r:)
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